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Posted at 09/08/2007, 00:44
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frog you are quite the conspiracist, but i dont know where you got your theory about towel heads attacking the twin towers. no sikhs where ever accused muslims where accused who do not wear "towels" [turbans] except for personal preference. there is a lot of theories out there but you cant generalize. i would actually say most americans most likely do think it was done by some form of muslim extremist. if you want a conspiracy bush is most likely a puppet controlled by the masons and they worked with osama to start a war to layer every ones pockets. but what the hell does this have to do with people hating on americans on forums. this has gone way off topic. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 02:26
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with the exception of the poll quotes i typed every line you ass. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 05:29
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why people hate americans? two words paris hilton |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 06:11
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i am not a huge fan of america, bur i prefer a redneck who doesnt know any better than a ranting lunatic like frog. in europe, people had tons of evidence why the jews intentionally poisoned the water to cause the black death in the 14th century. well, it turned out to be completely wrong. just like anne frank didnt partake in a secret conspiracy to overthrow the german government. so ... maybe you should check out the other side before c&p the arguments of some ghost-hunters who see the illuminati in every aspect of modern life. the best way to prove a point - is actually real proof. not some random quotes from 1 of 10000 people who sees a rocket instead of a plane. and as much as i like michael moore ... his points are valid, but his "documentaries" are known to be manipulated (wiki the mm controversies for more). so better dont cite him because it will backfire. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 06:57
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one of my "problems" with the usa can be summarised in the following figures taken from the us government electoral commission regarding the 2002 election - population eligible to vote - 215,473,000 population registered to vote - 150,990,598 percentage of eligible people registered - 70% voter turnout - 79,830,119 percentage of registered voter turnout - 52.9% percentage of eligible persons turnout - 37% so a little over a third of adult citizens give a shit enough to actually go and vote. in australia (that\'s me) as well as many other democracies on this planet, voting is not only a right and a privilege but is also compulsory. going to a bit of a fantasy world - assuming that this election was tightly won, we are saying that 19% of the population have voted for the winner. so this very small percentage of the population have elected the person who spouts their beliefs, and that person is in the position of bullying the rest of the world to those beliefs. the reason many people don\'t like americans is because they come from the usa. the reason many people don\'t like the usa is because it is a bully ... for a very small percentage of its population. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 09:11
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who then in turn bully other countries to follow their lead in 'helping' them in their cause. case in point is bonsai ... aka john howard. (bonsai..a little bush...get it  )but this is turning more to the gov't than i think was originally intended. personally, many americans seem to be very arrogant and gung ho.....about everything. now i must admit, much of this is seen through the media. obviously, not all americans are like that, but i think it is a stereotype that is hard to avoid. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 14:25
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what a topic. but okay. first of all the question itself consists of some unintended arrogance. the us of a just are a part of america. or did you really mean all americanos from argentina to alaska? but is it really so? are citizens of the usa actually this much unpopular? i don't think so. it's much more a felt suffer being disliked than an actually one, mostly transported via media. not one single of my us-american friends told me such personal experiences / feelings. if i'm wrong and the world does hate the usa, then have a look at "monty python's the meaning of life", final part: death. listen to grim reaper who complains about endless waffling us-americans - "because they have no balls". that's it. but who listens to some schmock like me... 
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 18:01
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so true. best reason provided thus far. and just fyi, canada is part of the commonwealth of nations (or the commonwealth). the british commonwealth technically no longer exists. fb |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 19:57
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i'm afraid you have missed an important point. it's got to do with evidence, i look at an issue (and all evidence from all sides) and if the weight and quality of evidences goes to one side then that's where my thinking goes even if my preconceived notion was different. simply because my biases, belief, prejudices (whether my own or a reflection of society) or whatever you want to call them are a much poorer test of reality than evidence and the facts. (historically a belief of what is real, possible or true in a society or field is turned upside down 25-50-100 years later so i put little faith in anything other than evidence) instead you do as you say use an 'information filter', so you don't even look at or weigh evidence not in line with your filter. (otherwise known as ignore-ance) no, i dislike and have a distaste for most conspiracy theories, some have stong indesptible evidence while many have no or little evidence for them (or are circumstantial) and much against. why do you use a filter? you must either be 1: scared of the truth, 2: believe you are not fit (too stupid) to weight information, 3: scared of not fitting in with one group (main stream) or of being put in another group (conspiracy nut) based on differing beliefs. (largely reinforced by the media, which is why you assumed the majority believed the arab conspiracy theory as they don't report much wrt dissenting views other than to ridicule them). so instead of trying to make prejudice and ignorance seem cool, why don't you crack that 'information' filter and se what is really going on. it's pretty funny for you to disagree with me as if that means anything when you haven't looked at the facts and are just stating your preconceived notion. look at the evidence, come to whatever conclusion seems right from your analysis and then regardless of your opinion i will at least respect it even if i don't agree. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 19:58
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too late, i replied before i read the next message. |
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Posted at 09/08/2007, 20:41
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fool your "wealthiest and most powerful country" have been borrowing over $200 billion per year, the us was already in huge debt before the war in iraq. the reason us lasted that long is because it has been forcing japan to bend over backwards to save us's econ by buying us bonds and forcing an insane 0.5% interest rate to their people. and your other "allies" are already backing off, you are about to experience something much worse than the great depression. china have been buying most of the us bonds from japan and now owns 1.3 trillion forex reserve, that means when it comes to international leverage china trumps us because those are real money, not your funny money generated from thin air in the stock market. russia also have 600 billion forex reserve, that means china and russia owns most of us's real money, and china and russia can crash us's econ the moment they start selling them. and guess what, china just announced they'll start selling them if us continues its war madness. your "freedom" country that caused most of the war in the world in the past 50 years, had recently parked missles next to russia's border, annouced plans to give nuclear power to japan, selling arms to taiwan, attacked iraq, and is threatening to attack iran, which will probably start ww iii if that happens. russia has just started flying more war planes. and china and russia just had a joint military operation that haven't happened in years. if you've been even remotely alert of international affairs you'd know by now that china's teaming up with russia against the bullsxxt from the us to try stop ww iii. your country is in huge debt, and has no gold to back your money, and is still borrowing money to fight a losing war. the us oil game won't work anymore as russia now have a very stonrg energy export, hell, countries don't even buy oil in us dollars anymore. not to mention the tough guys in the middle east are fighting back like no tomorrow and continue to sabotage any us attempts to export them. if your country is so powerful why does it have to borrow more and more money again and again, and kept sending more and more man to the battlefield to die? just read world news from countries other than the us and you can easilly confirm the things above. have fun lying to yourself as the rest of the world watch your dollar drop and drop and eventually crash to the bottom. no money = no war. you lose man, you lose money, you lose friends. people all over the world knows what i am talking about, except, of course, people from the us, who, most of them, thinks the world revolves around them just because their mommy says so. |
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Posted at 10/08/2007, 00:41
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so my problem is i don't have a filter, but you don't have/use one yourself? i strongly disagree with many of the conspiracy theories regarding 911 both conventional (the arabs conspired) as well as many others. also you say that if it's a theory then there can't be facts and if there are facts it's not a theory any longer, i agree within reason. it's a conspiracy fact (indeed no one is debating if there is a conspiracy, only who was behind it) that 911 was not and could not possibly have been pulled off by arabs terrorists. and there is if you actually read my post indesputable evidence (and i used that term or something close), but i don't think you read anything i wrote. |
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Posted at 10/08/2007, 04:32
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don't believe everything, what the interweb says. |
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Posted at 10/08/2007, 09:44
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Posted at 10/08/2007, 10:50
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maybe "hate" was a strong word to use to start off with. also, my post wasn't really directed at this site all that much, more so imdb. but i rarely, if ever get involved with posting over there. people here seemed more intelligent and willing to talk about this without it going overboard and getting retarded. anyways, anyone who's mentioned that they just don't see what i'm talking about, just read this thread, it's all right here! frog, i've skipped over most of your posts here as they are #1, too long, and #2 just dumb. although i do believe you're right about something. bush and current administration 100% knew and probably planned the attack on 9/11 they blew up the two towers, and crashed into the pentagon. then they were going to blow up air force one while bushy was in the air but all the coke on the plane just weighed it down and they couldn't even take off. after that, megatron was supposed to find the allspark but a group of transforming cars thwarted his plan. also starscream failed him again. |
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