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Posted at 20/08/2011, 15:21

✎ Quote by dracusis

✎ Quote by shidapenns

it's not homophobic to find it disgusting. it's just
heterosexual.

sorry, but having a negative attitude about something solely because of someone's gender is (in today's
society) considered a somewhat irrational behavioural pattern. perhaps not homophobic behaviour but at
the very least it's considered heterosexism (where your bias supports opposite-sex attractions and
relationships as the only norm and therefore superior).

now, if you'd said you found kissing disgusting regardless of the genders involved - that'd be a
little weird
but not necessarily irrational in any way.

i'm heterosexual and find nothing disgusting or off putting about displays of homosexuality. two people
loving each other, regardless of gender, is a beautiful thing. you're watching two smiling, happy
people
enjoy their lives together, if that's disgusting you then don't you owe it to yourself to figure out
exactly why
that is?

if you can't stomach homosexuality that's fine, but that is definitely not a "normal" happen-stance
of being heterosexual. when you think about it, it's not far from someone saying "i can't stand
seeing black people
on tv" and justifying that as being "normal" behaviour because they're white.

blah blah blah. i don't care about homosexuality. i'm not anti-gay or any crap like that. i just
find the male form disgusting. i don't care if you approve of that.

i don't like sex in my entertainment in any case. unless i'm specifically watching porn.

✎ Quote by paulopinto

✎ Quote by shidapenns

it's not homophobic to find it disgusting. it's just
heterosexual.

yes it is. be afraid of = phobia, of homosexuals. if you have aversion of seeing two people of same
sex having sex, you not just don't like, you think it's disgusting, it's a phobia, possibly a
moderated one, not strong enough to hate the homosexuals.
it's not a real problem being a homophobic, except you think they should die by your hands with god's
bless. 😛

i'm not afraid of gay people. i'm not disgusted by gay people.

Posted at 20/08/2011, 15:44

#165161

the point is, this is supposed to be a science fiction series, not a gay porno.
i don't mind gay sex scenes (and i'm straight), but when there's more gay sex than science, there's a
serious problem...

Posted at 20/08/2011, 15:50

#165162

✎ Quote by shidapenns

it's not homophobic to find it disgusting.

✎ Quote by shidapenns

i'm not disgusted by gay people.

clearly you're not a lot of things.

you might want to add "someone who makes sense" to that list of things you're not. i reckon you'd be
really good at it.

Posted at 20/08/2011, 16:55

#165163

i find it amazing that one of the most disgustingly violent scenes passes without comment while some
passionate gay scenes disturb people.
i think rtd has proved a point.

Posted at 20/08/2011, 20:59

#165170

anyone who says "its homophobia". you're a fucking moron.

i dislike spiders.. i step on them whenever possible. i dont like looking at thier shitty cobwebs in my
basement, but i dont have aracnaphobia. i dont run like a lil bitch and scream when i see one.

learn what a phobia is before you say someone has it.

now if i was to say "gays are horrible. they should all be burned alive in ovens!". then i'd be
homophobic with maybe a bit of a nazi attitude.

btw, i'm american and have watched all of the torchwood series before it was on starz. yeah, america
turned it into a shitty just another run of the mill "scifi dramas".
its complete crud now.

Posted at 20/08/2011, 23:06

#165172

i dislike gays.. i step on them whenever possible, but i dont have homophobia. i dont run like a lil bitch
and scream when i see one.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 01:28

#165175

✎ Quote by dracusis

✎ Quote by shidapenns

it's not homophobic to find it disgusting.

✎ Quote by shidapenns

i'm not disgusted by gay people.

clearly you're not a lot of things.

you might want to add "someone who makes sense" to that list of things you're not. i reckon you'd be
really good at it.

i'm not disgusted by gay people. i'm disgusted by gay sex scenes.

does that make sense to you now?

i even clarified that point in a later post. but i guess you don't like to read.

✎ Quote by shidapenns

i don't agree that homosexuality is a mental illness. i just meant i find gay sex
scenes digusting, and that that's not homophobia.

i'm also disgusted by old people having sex. i'm guess i'm afraid of them!
i'm also disgusted by my parents having sex. i'm afraid of my own parents?!
i would be disgusted by a video of myself masturbating. omg i'm afraid of myself!!!

in fact, it's not even the idea of it being a sex scene that i find disgusting. obviously it's not
real sex. it's just that the naked male form is the exact opposite of attractive, to me.
it's not some kind of cultural flaw. you're over-thinking it. it's my sexuality. just like it's
genetic for gay people to be that way, it's genetic for me to be this way. so stop with your damn
prejudice!

just to make it extra clear. i don't have a problem with gay people at all. i like the jack harkness
character, i don't care what his sexuality is. but i don't want to see him naked.

if you still think that's homophobia, then i give up. the word has no meaning.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 02:26

#165176

✎ Quote by daveo76

✎ Quote by mr_crow

i think this new torchwood is pretty crap!!
they have americanised it and taken the excitement out of it.
where is the new cool alien technology and new ideas each week.
its now just another american sifi drama,
the torchwood producers should hang their heads in shame.

i agree with you. i like it but it feels like a normal sifi to me. the torchwood i knew has gone.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 02:55

#165178

✎ Quote by jo ruby

✎ Quote by daveo76

✎ Quote by mr_crow

i think this new torchwood is pretty crap!!
they have americanised it and taken the excitement out of it.
where is the new cool alien technology and new ideas each week.
its now just another american sifi drama,
the torchwood producers should hang their heads in shame.

i agree with you. i like it but it feels like a normal sifi to me. the torchwood i knew has gone.

i agree as well, i still like torchwood but it's not the same as it was, and captain jack's strong leading
character has been changed.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 05:38

#165184

✎ Quote by cleobasset

i find it amazing that one of the most disgustingly violent scenes passes without
comment while some
passionate gay scenes disturb people.
i think rtd has proved a point.

the violent scenes are short and integral to the story line.

the gay sex scenes serve little purpose and last much too long.

this is the problem, try using your brain a little more in the future please.

i downloaded this expecting it to be a sci-fi show that may have a little gay matter thrown in.
what i got was a gay soft porno with a little sci-fi matter thrown in.

it's not even the fact that it's homosexual sex, you could replace it with hetero sex, and i'd still be
complaining.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 06:29

#165185

✎ Quote by dracusis

✎ Quote by shidapenns

it's not homophobic to find it disgusting. it's just
heterosexual.

sorry, but having a negative attitude about something solely because of someone's gender is (in
today's
society) considered a somewhat irrational behavioural pattern. perhaps not homophobic behaviour but
at
the very least it's considered heterosexism (where your bias supports opposite-sex attractions and
relationships as the only norm and therefore superior).

now, if you'd said you found kissing disgusting regardless of the genders involved - that'd be a little
weird
but not necessarily irrational in any way.

i'm heterosexual and find nothing disgusting or off putting about displays of homosexuality. two people
loving each other, regardless of gender, is a beautiful thing. you're watching two smiling, happy people
enjoy their lives together, if that's disgusting you then don't you owe it to yourself to figure out exactly
why
that is?

if you can't stomach homosexuality that's fine, but that is definitely not a "normal" happen-stance of
being heterosexual. when you think about it, it's not far from someone saying "i can't stand seeing
black people
on tv" and justifying that as being "normal" behaviour because they're white.

well said. thank you.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 06:34

#165186

✎ Quote by dracusis

i dislike gays.. i step on them whenever possible, but i dont have homophobia. i dont
run like a lil bitch
and scream when i see one.

lol nicely done.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 09:41

#165190

haven't seen this ep. yet, but if one gay sex scene (and how many hetero so far, haven't counted, but far
more) in 6 episodes (kissing, no matter how prude you are, is not "sex") makes this a "soft gay porn"
show, i guess family guy is hard-core hetero porn, and spartacus should be x-rated.

geez, you've downloaded the friggin show, you're not watching it live, just ffwd past the scenes that
disturb you.

as to whether to classify homosexuality as a mental illness, remember that people with low iq used to be
sterilized in many countries, rape used to be considered the norm and owning slaves was an accepted
custom. so i guess you want to have slaves and go out raping on the weekends as well.

most people expressing homophobic views here really aren't homophobic. they're just plain stupid and
caught in the past.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 10:08

#165192

unbelievable, i just watched this episode, the nearest thing to a sex scene lasted less than a
minute. the reason for it was completely to do with the storyline as the person jack was involved
with obviously is part of the story and the relationship plays a huge part in it.

sorry but the excuse that it was all sex or too much or not related to the story is just a bogus
cover for obvious homophobia.

Posted at 21/08/2011, 11:24

#165195

i find it hilarious, not to mention more than a little sad, that people who choose to watch a
show that has a bi-sexual (or 'omni-sexual') lead character, and one who has always leaned more
towards the male generally speaking, still continually get their feathers ruffled any time that
character does things that they wouldn't raise an eyebrow over if a hetero character did them - you
know, like kiss their partner, have sex, make a cheeky comment, etc.

it's all very much "we don't mind having a gay character, honest...but can he be a bit less gay?" in
other words, apparently the character can be gay all he wants just as long as he's quiet about it.
you know, like hetero's always are...oh, wait.

it really is a truly idiotic complaint. and one that this particular hetero finds on the whole,
absolutely ridiculous.

watch the show or don't watch the show, that is your choice. but if you do watch it then unless you
are truly braindead you should be able to know going in that a show with a predominantly gay, or at
least bi-sexual/omni-sexual lead character, made for adult audiences, is obviously going to explore
that side of their lead characters life. so at some point there will be examples of that character
in love, having sex, experiencing loss or grief, having fun, being angry, and everything else that
can happen in a person's life. and to sweep the expressions of love or lust under the carpet just
because that character is gay/bi-sexual/whatever would
be dishonest to not only the character and their continuing story, but also to audiences, most of
whom can handle watching such things and accept them for what they are, without the need to paint
them with colours of fear, disgust, or mock outrage.

so either accept it for what it is, or go watch something else.