two men kissing on a television show is no more shoving
homosexuality in your
face, than a man and a woman kissing is shoving heterosexuality in your face.
a few of you really need to wake up and realize that you really do have a
problem with homosexuality and are afraid to admit it. stop pretending you are
all for various sexual freedoms, when it's clear a simple kiss or hug disturbs
you so.
i don't have a problem with it on moral grounds or anything like that, but, come
on, it is kinda gross so yeah, guess you could say i have a problem with it
in that sense. hypocritical or not, pc or not, i say it's just icky. so, i
look away for all of nine seconds, not a big deal, i guess.
what is a big deal is finally settling down to watch what i've downloaded, only
to realize i already watched this last week. meh.
[#86220]
Written by: WhitePhoenix [29/03/2008, 17:54]
the problem for me with this season's torchwood is that the show has become a
directionless mess. we have no real over-arching plot, a little character
development from owen and thats it. the gay scenes only bother me because
they're out of context and have no relevance to the plot. to add insult to
injury, they've made almost every character gay or bisexual which makes no
sense. is there some secret rule at torchwood that you have to be willing to
shag everyone on the team at least once? if not then why are the writers
dedicating so much screen time to who's shagging who? if the writers want to
give us a gay relationship then fair enough, but we don't need these in your
face scenes every week which are entirely separate from the rest of the episode.
i guess you could argue that they've tried that a little with captain john, but
honestly if your whole story arch revolves around a homocidal ex-flame, then you
need to hire some decent writers. it doesn't matter if that ex-lover is a
member of the same sex or not, it's still a weak idea. torchwood should be
better than this, the writers of the show need to take a look at jekyll and get
some ideas from there. now that was a show which was aimed at a mature audience
and pushed the envelope. give us more episodes like adam and we'll stop
complaining and just for the record, that episode did feature scenes with jack
and lanto, did anyone complain that week? no and you know why, it's because
the scenes they did were relevant to the episode. so russell t davis, if you're
reading this, people mostly want torchwood for the science fiction, not the sex.
i have no desire to see any of the cast of the show naked. i don't need these
lame sex jokes, or shots of jack without his top on. if people want nudity, or
softcore porn they have the internet. tell us a sci-fi story and we'll keep
watching but if the show continues to degenerate we'll tune out.
[#86224]
Written by: fido123 [29/03/2008, 19:20]
Quote by daakadence
personally i\\\'m a little sick of reese and gwen. i mean it\\\'s
all fine if they
want to be welsh behind closed doors, but i mean when they come onto primetime
telly with their welshness and that.. i mean it\\\'s absolutely disgusting...
won\\\'t
somebody please think of the poor scottish children that are subject to this
kind of welshness on tv
... ok but seriously
i don\'t have a problem with the welsh thing - i have a few welsh friends so i
can\'t be discriminating against them - i just don\'t want to see it or hear it -
keep it behind closed doors please.
[#86227]
Written by: crewdog [29/03/2008, 19:36]
Quote by pharmacopaeia
where are the complaints about heterosexual sex scenes /
relationships / story
arcs being too 'in your face' in the vast majority of prime time television? it
all seems to boil down to a particularly middle class prudishness that is summed
up by "some of my best friends are gay, but i really wish they would keep their
pesky lifestyle behind closed doors."
torchwood has always been about sexuality as a spectrum, and celebrating sex and
relationships in all manner of forms. it's refreshing to have a show that
doesn't place sexuality and sexual relationships within a particularly
prescribed hierarchy, whereby tits and ass are par for course and acceptable
viewing whilst eating one's dinner, but where two guys having a snog is verboten
and dangerous and let's all shake our heads and write a tersely worded letter to
the editor. good on the show for pushing the envelope and challenging peoples
deeply held prejudices in a way that is playful and celebratory.
if it's really too hard to cope with then quit the bitching and watch something
else that more closely conforms to everyday 'safe' heteronormative ideals.
here, here. well put. i for one am getting sick of all this adolescent moaning
over what? a 2 second cut away of the guys getting frisky? holding hands? a
sweet romantic goodbye kiss? grow up, watch and you might learn something. its
not all about t&a.
[#86228]
Written by: rofl [29/03/2008, 19:57]
Quote by brygdom
it is a misplaced emotional / psychological disorder. it was properly
categorized as
such once before pressure from \'those\' groups from outside and from within
changed
it.
the so called \'evidence\' of genetics has an interesting back story to it.
don\'t
give
in to what is only a thin crust given to you by short comments on the media.
being human the \'scientist(s)\' that \'discovered\' the \'possibility\' of
this had
their
own ... bias.
which is why you shouldn\'t even remotely believe anything that hasn\'t been
peer
reviewed and retested. science isn\'t about blind belief. also putting
everything in quotes makes you look like a pompous ass.
Quote by brygdom
it is unnatural and unproductive, and things unnatural, out of place, are
uncomfortable. no one here is being hypocritical. they are being natural with
common
sense against something that is unnatural and should not be.
i wonder how many replying here are \'of that persuasion\' or \'sympathizers\'.
the
sympathizers: possibly only because they hear the \'party line\' over and over
until
it
is just fine with them, without thinking deeply on it; analyzing it.
no, it\'s outside of society\'s accepted norms (although that varies widly
depending on where you are). if something is so unnatural are you going to go
out and stop all the species that get it on with same-sex activities? are you
going to stop the world from having sex with protection because it isn\'t for
procreation? sex was intended for that so without the intention of offspring it
becomes unnatural and unproductive. oh, wait, society\'s generally held values
have changed over time! who'd have thought it?
[#86229]
Written by: WhitePhoenix [29/03/2008, 19:58]
for me personally i couldn't care less if the characters are straight or gay
it's more the fact that their just doing it gratuitously and without it being
relevant to the plot. if you take a look at sincity for example the sex scene
with marv is relevant to the plot so it makes sense for it to be there, on the
other hand sex scenes in other movies usually are not relevant to the storyline
and don't need to be there. we don't need a social agenda pushed down our
throats. jack kissing the odd guy doesn't really bother me, nor does gwen
making out with reese. all i ask is that it needs to be relevant.
[#86239]
Written by: BlueBow [29/03/2008, 21:27]
i don't know what show the ones that complain have been watching.
i've watched torchwood since the first episode, and since day one the show has
had the same sexual content. i don't think it's there to be gratuitous or to
promote an 'agenda,' the show is just generally sexually charged.
i mean, really... the show hasn't changed that i've noticed. it's always been
how it is, and i for one have loved torchwood for that and many other reasons.
[#86259]
Written by: fudgefactorfive [30/03/2008, 04:44]
Quote by jh604
Quote by underfunk
i am a fan of the show, but enough of the gayness.
if it is a part of the character's background, fine.
it seems that it is flaunted this entire second season.
i feel it could be toned down a little.
i've always said torchwood is russel t davies' way of promoting gayness. really
ruins a tv show when the showrunner (supposedly anyway...only running he's done
with doctor who is running it into the ground and running torchwood as gay pride
bbc) tries to promote their own personal beliefs in their show when the majority
don't care about it. i'm totally fine with gay people ... as long as they're
not shoving it in my face.
sorry. i have a large hatred of rtd. seriously. if i met that man in the
street, i would smack him as hard as possible in his face. absolutely hate how
he's made dw into a kids show after the stunningly awesome first season.
you idiot, doctor who is now and has always been a children's programme.
if you don't like gay stuff so much then why do you have a big stick up your arse?
i wish you could hear yourself ... "i'm fine with black people, as long as
they're not shoving it in my face".
fucking breeders.
[#86266]
Written by: schmock [30/03/2008, 07:44]
shock, shock.
horror, horror.
these times...
[#86300]
Written by: vzur [30/03/2008, 19:00]
Quote by crewdog
grow up, watch and you might learn something. its
not all about t&a.
for some of us, it kind of is. so what's that about the show having always been
sexually charged? i mean, there's no t&a to balance it, not even an attractive
female character. not much of a "spectrum," when it's mostly just jack kissing
some guy or another.
i understand people defending it on the grounds that it should be ok for it to
have a gay bias, but to try to say that it doesn't? i don't understand that so
much.
[#86379]
Written by: blightmeow [31/03/2008, 08:19]
Quote by fudgefactorfive
if you don't like gay stuff so much then why do you have
a big stick up your arse?
so yeah, guess you could say i have a problem with it
