all living things have one goal in its lifespan that is to reproduce its self!
however for
[#68878]
Written by: kukudrulu [18/11/2007, 03:53]
i take exception in some statements made here about the holy bible. one of this
is a claim that the bible is for the weak minded. one who reads the bible and
takes it at face value is, i agree, weak minded or of lazy intellect for
refusing to understand the deeper implications of what is written there. to
understand, first you have to take into consideration when those passages were
written and how the author intended to convey a message of its time to transcend
the civilization when it was written. the author is therefore considered to be
divinely inspired. similarly, the reader should take into account and undertake
the pain of investigating the manner of expression of the time it was written.
there are bible scholars dedicated to this task and they attempt to unravel not
only the surface truths but also the deeper truths revealed in those passages.
the next statement i take exception to is the claim that the bible is 99%
fantasy. supporting what i've stated above, let me just add that the bible,
especially the old testament is largely historical and symbolical. many
archaeological discoveries were based on the study of biblical accounts.
symbolism are used to explain the metaphysical significance of passages which
truths are revealed to a few scholars who guard them from being misused.
i do not claim to have first hand experience on all the above stated but in my
interest in the metaphysical, i've read about them from reliable sources and
have come to accept them.
lastly, i just wish to comment that the american government was founded on a
religious tone. let us not forget the slogan "in god we trust".
[#68899]
Written by: drummer45 [18/11/2007, 08:27]
i also had to sign-up to interject in this debate, as i was amazed at what i've
read thus far from dalezer. firstly, you claim you're a man of philosophy and
the sciences and believe that science can peacefully co-exist with religion.
that sentence itself is an oxymoron because science is based on empirical
evidence and is subject to peer review to fix and expand existing theories,
whereas religion is subjective and requires a mental willingness to surrender
all reason.
secondly, the fact that you state that the bibles texts are teachings for moral,
ethical, and compassionate human behavior shows that you know nothing. or should
we just simply dismiss the stoning of children, the mutilation of genitalia,
infanticide, the inquisition, the dark ages, and most importantly a 'god' who
condones killing if it happens that one of his 'sheep' should run astray. sounds
like a pretty vindictive god to me. to forget about these horrific events would
be blasphemous, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.
thirdly, the 'us vs. them' mentality stems from religion itself. religion is a
subset of tribalism, and should have been abolished long ago. had we known what
science was capable of so long ago, there would be no need for this
astrotheological literary hybrid we call the bible. also the bible has been
written, re-written, interpreted, mis-interpreted, re-interpreted, translated
and re-translated to the scripture we have today. so forgive me if i don't have
'faith' that this document is the word of god, because clearly it was derived
and altered by men to establish political and social control.
lastly, i don't doubt that you have a scholastic background in theology and
philosophy, however, you would probably have had a different world view on this
subject had you not been indoctrinated, i'm assuming by parents, at such a young
age. now tell me that doesn't sound like psychological abuse.
[#68900]
Written by: drummer45 [18/11/2007, 08:36]
the statement "in god we trust", wasn't used till well after the european
colonies settled here. and yes, america was founded on a religious tone, but
you're founding fathers were deists at best, and did not subscribe to any
religion. it's sad when a canadian knows more about american history than some
of the incredulous zealots on here. i suggest you crack a book!
[#68907]
Written by: zorglub [18/11/2007, 10:10]
one sometime think evolution is "the survival of the fittest" and think the
formula is talking about "the strongest". in fact evolution is about adapting to
a changing environment. in that all genetical desease are somehow precious, at
list the ones that allow reproduction. think about trisomy (i don't know if it
is the english right word, it is called also mongoloism), the light form. it
could be one day that a virus killed or affect everyone except the one with this
specific genetic problem. the variations and mutations are part of the survival
of a specie when the environment change. so not letting people with a genetic
problem die is part of preserving the genetic pool. one will never know what is
a useful gene or not including the part of the genetic code that nobody knows
what it is for. do you know that frogs have more gene than us. adaptability !
[#68912]
Written by: qshady [18/11/2007, 11:33]
dalezer - you can barely type coherently in english. you must be mentally
deficient. off the planet with you!
[#68920]
Written by: pweasel [18/11/2007, 13:09]
Quote by videoopiate
it amazes me how ignorant, blind, and stubborn religion can
make people.
intelligent agent=god, its nothing but very thinly veiled creationism.
intelligent agent = smart alien from alpha centauri with very expensive
chemystry kit
[#68921]
Written by: kukudrulu [18/11/2007, 13:36]
american colonies that settled here???? the only true americans are the indians
and they existed in tribes before the colonies arrived. the colonies that
settled in this land were of european stock who brought western civilization to
this land. these settlers were mostly spanish, french, english and italians and
they were mostly christians! even the continent's name is in honor on the
italian americus vespucci. and you have the gall to suggest that i crack a book?
well... i suggest you do the same before you point an accusing finger of
ignorance at me!
[#68924]
Written by: gr8m8 [18/11/2007, 14:37]
please bear in mind, evolution always occurs.
it would be mistaken to think that this means constant improvement ( by who's
standards ), just progressive adaptive change that best works for the moment.
therefore, nothing that humans do can be considered against nature.
we are part of nature. the mind thinks it's above nature and objects.
i hope this defuses any vitriole towards others that think differently.
[#68934]
Written by: drummer45 [18/11/2007, 16:16]
Quote by kukudrulu
american colonies that settled here???? the only true americans
are the indians
and they existed in tribes before the colonies arrived. the colonies that
settled in this land were of european stock who brought western civilization to
this land. these settlers were mostly spanish, french, english and italians and
they were mostly christians! even the continent's name is in honor on the
italian americus vespucci. and you have the gall to suggest that i crack a book?
well... i suggest you do the same before you point an accusing finger of
ignorance at me!
sorry, i should have been more specific, but i was generalizing and i agree with
everything you stated in your last post, however, it was amerigo vespucci. i
know this because i wrote a thesis on him. in addition, i also posted this after
coming off a 12 hour shift, to which i had 4 hours sleep prior.
[#68948]
Written by: kukudrulu [18/11/2007, 18:57]
thank you for the correction. i apologize too for flaring up the way i did. it's
a pity that our guardian angel here wants us to stop as i'm sure we could have
had an intelligent discussion on religion-state-evolution under mutual respect.
maybe some other time. farewell.
[#68974]
Written by: supermousepad [18/11/2007, 21:58]
everyone here has their beliefs, or lack there of. either way no one is right or
wrong, because sadly (well i know for my part) i have never seen a god, and you
can preach all you want to me that he;s around me all the time, and that you
have seen him, but until i see some hard evidence im not convinced. that aside,
i don't hold it against people that they have their beliefs, i know my mum likes
to do the whole church thing on xmas and easter, and look if it makes her happy
and she has a chin wag with her friends that she only sees every so often, i can
see she is happier for it and that makes me happy.
it's the ignorent pplz posting here, talking about weak genes etc that are just
messed up. best you keep you point of view to yourself, as much as i should keep
this point of view to myself, but i couldn't resist, and i expect people to
flame me for this also.
no one can stop you believeing what you believe, whether it be in the roman
gods, egyptian, jesus whatever, but just keep it to yourself. don't be arrogant
and pretend you have the answers or that your beliefs are better than anyone's
else, just do your thing and get on with life.
it's like mormans knocking on my door, im more than happy to invite them in and
off them a cookie (note to self: remember not to give flat mates brownies
though) but i would much prefer to talk to them about something aside from
religion, even something boring like the weather in melbourne, or what
restaurants they prefer in the area. but they can't help themselves, they just
preach, give me pamflets and tell me to go read, so i start to talk about
something i belive in strongly, lets take, australian rules football, which they
don't understand and before we know we are boring the shit out of each other.
my point is.. whatever it is you believe in - that's great!
but just keep it to yourself.
[#69010]
Written by: M2M [19/11/2007, 02:08]
here's one: replace the word god with love, where ever you find it. it will make
things more easy to handle
[#69019]
Written by: bigfoot217 [19/11/2007, 03:17]
" when i was a kid i had an inaginary friend, and i used to think he went
everywhere with me, and i could talk to him and he could hear me, and he could
grant me wishes and stuff. then i grew up, and stopped going to church. "
- jimmy carr
[#69076]
Written by: heavysigh [19/11/2007, 12:49]
dalezer, i'm sorry but you come across like an idiot. bridging the gap between
science and god? which god would that be? personally, i can't wait to bridge
the gap between the god odin and science. that way i can find out how he
managed to put ligthning in his son thor's hammer. that would be awesome. i
think that's a much more worthwhile goal than intelligent design. (i purposely
use lower case on intelligent design.)
