i'm pretty sure scene rules dictate that dvdrip dupes hdtv rips, because dvd is
obviously a better source when the release is the same (low) resolution.
possibly because dvds usually have much higher bitrates than tv.
case in point, the standard res 4400 s03 hdtv rips stopped once the dvd came out.
and what do you think the dvd itself was encoded from? a non-hd source? ' you
fucking idiot.'
omfg where do you people come from.. you obviously have no idea what you are
talking about.. what you said didn't even make sense. while you are pretty sure
what the scene rules dictate, i am 100% sure what they dictate, as i helped
write them. hdtv caps never i mean never dupe dvdrips (which i think is what you
were trying to say). of course the dvd itself was encoded from a hd source...
but the preairs were not.. i don't know how much clearer i can make this. xvid
isn't going to magically reinvent the information that was lost in the process
by converting down to dvd, is it?????? my gosh.
your point is like saying "yeah we took the streaming realplayer video and
encoded it to xvid.. it's obviously going to be as good as encoding from the hd
source because the realplayer video was encoded from the hd source itself"..
if you had any brains, the point you should be making is that, this hdtv release
is a segmented encode.
[#59025]
Written by: Landstander [01/10/2007, 11:15]
i believe the point that was (poorly) being made was that hdtv rips and dvd rips
regardless of original resolution are not encoded to 720p or 480p but some lower
resolution.
the pre-airs are assumed to be from a dvd source because they appeared at the
exact same time as the television press tour when critics were all handed dvds
of the first 2 episodes of season 2.
and, if you are going to decrease the resolution of both to the same size, it
hardly matters whether it had 720 lines or 4000 you're still going down to
350-ish lines.
finally, the dvd was likely also encoded and downscaled from the same hd source
as the 720p broadcast. since both the broadcast and the dvd had to be encoded
(probably both to mpeg) you can't argue that the dvd source is re-compressed
more times either.
now the true 720p hd release is a different story, but an hdtv (downscaled) rip
versus a dvd rip stands to be lower quality because of broadcast breakups from
interference or low bitrates. they're also more prone to desync problems (as
people seem to be complaining of from this release).
so side by side both versions should technically be nearly identical with
dvdrips having the edge.
that said, i'm grabbing both versions to see what the runtime difference is,
which seems to be a more important difference.
[#59035]
Written by: wrecche [01/10/2007, 12:00]
Quote by dmfaust
personally i think you should all just hold out for the top
secret government
release of shd which makes it so that the image is so perfect that 73% of
viewers commit suicide after as they attempt to cope with the comparitive
drabness of real life.
(edit: oh, and to the guy who is talking crap about the second season, you're
crazy. :d it only just started, they were quality episodes that focused on the
continued development between dexter and debra instead of the early character
introductions in season 1. the pacing so far is the same, simply the focus is
different. give it time to start getting into the deeper aspects of the story
arc, particularly with the fbi on the scene.)
hahahah
im with you, im sure i'll
[#59059]
Written by: youradumbshit [01/10/2007, 13:20]
those preair dvdrips were not retail dvds so they should been labeled as dvdscr
and hdtv supersedes dvdscr.
[#59071]
Written by: Kirken [01/10/2007, 13:59]
anyhow, for those who want to know. i watched both preair version and this
version in parallele.
the episode is almost identical. until the 23rd minute, when a lot of scenes are
slightly longer by 1 or 10 seconds in the remaining of the episode.
this rip has glitches, advertisements, end credits cut and shorter scenes. two
scenes depicting dead and dismembered bodies are missing in this aired episode.
also two funny sentences are missing. a shorter phone call, a shorter arguing
scene, and a shorter scuba gear scene ending with a big surprise (i wont
describe it cause this is a spoiler), but the divers are in shock in the preair
release. we dont see it now.
so if you already have the preair version, you have every reason in the world to
not download this release. but you may prefer downloading the 720p instead.
that's up to you.
[#59076]
Written by: fatwah [01/10/2007, 14:40]
looking forward to this. hoping for a high body count this season. i wonder if
his brother will come back again...i think yes..
[#59086]
Written by: utp226 [01/10/2007, 15:18]
im gettin the 720p just for the quality ^^
fatwah: how could dexter's brother come back? dexter killed him last season.
[#59087]
Written by: Blaizn [01/10/2007, 15:19]
great, this show is back! *sarcasm* more pointless desensitizing of the culture.
murder is murder and its wrong! no matter what!
clever show though!
[#59089]
Written by: rick5446 [01/10/2007, 15:30]
the prair will not have all the popups in them.which really pisses me off,as i
subscribe to these premium channels.for the simple reason i don't like
popups,now the friggin pay channels got them
[#59096]
Written by: upx [01/10/2007, 16:01]
thanks, kirken, for the detailed, simultaneous viewing and review of both
versions. much more useful and appreciated than the several morons who were
talking out of their asses when they said there's no difference.
if you don't know something, then make the effort to research it. or you can say
you don't know...better yet, simply stfu.
/rant
[#59121]
Written by: papatsonis [01/10/2007, 18:36]
i still wonder why not start releasing the 350mb version in a x264_175mb version
?, it'd be similar quality (i had recompressed some lost s03 episodes with
minimal quality loss and 170mb size (from original 350mb)
[#59125]
Written by: upx [01/10/2007, 19:20]
Quote by papatsonis
i still wonder why not start releasing the 350mb version in a
x264_175mb version
?, it'd be similar quality (i had recompressed some lost s03 episodes with
minimal quality loss and 170mb size (from original 350mb)
i have two standalone divx dvd players, and i like watching most of these tv
shows and movies on my big tvs. afaik, there are no standalone x264 players. so
this may be one reason.
if i were only going to watch it on my computer, then i agree with you --
smaller file size and faster download, with the same quality, would be preferable.
[#59223]
Written by: TBurbank [02/10/2007, 22:05]
Quote by kirken
the episode is almost identical. until the 23rd minute, when a lot
of scenes are slightly longer by 1 or 10 seconds in the remaining of the episode.
this rip has glitches, advertisements, end credits cut and shorter scenes. two
scenes depicting dead and dismembered bodies are missing in this aired episode.
also two funny sentences are missing. a shorter phone call, a shorter arguing
scene, and a shorter scuba gear scene ending with a big surprise (i wont
describe it cause this is a spoiler), but the divers are in shock in the preair
release. we dont see it now.
so if you already have the preair version, you have every reason in the world to
not download this release. but you may prefer downloading the 720p instead.
that's up to you.
from what i gathered, based on the proper, it's not "almost" identical, it is
identical. whatever is missing here is due to a very poor release, which is
filled with glitches. ultimately, if you've seen the preair, you've already seen
this episode but, if you haven't, get the sys proper and not this xor version.
[#59452]
Written by: fatwah [03/10/2007, 12:32]
he's a workaholic. prolific serial killer and a cop..i thpught most serial
killers could only hold menial jobs. maybe policemen have lots of spare time...
