[#22882]
Written by: disneyvixen [16/03/2007, 14:00]
i think with the pilot the writers were going for the "he sees ghosts" things.
i now think they changed their mind and instead makes him out to be a detective
that imagines what the victims went through. kinda like a "beautiful mind"
detective.
[#22885]
Written by: iamme [16/03/2007, 15:01]
Quote by fishlips357
itsobvioustupid wrote: those aren't ghosts he's talking
to, that's what makes the show interesting.
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they aren't? then those commercials were really misleading.
they said (and showed) that he sees and talks with murder
victims who want his help in solving their deaths. sounds
like ghosts to me. but maybe we've got different
definitions about that.
i could see where ghosts would be expected from the description, since the dead
more often appear with a supernatural explanation (medium, for example.)
raines does see and talk to murder victims, and they keep showing up until the
crime is satisfactorily solved.
but, he knows they are just hallucinations, though they seem so real to him, he
sometimes momentarily forgets. he doesn't try to imagine them (and in the
first episode anyway, doesn't consider it a gift so much as a concern for his
mental health) so in that way, it's similar to them haunting him. but, they're
psychological, not paranormal.
they can only tell him things he's already learned about them, either directly
from evidence, or by his subconscious putting things together. they sometimes
appear incorrectly based on his conjecture, but then they (his subconscious,
actually) calls him on it.
thus, of course, the crime being satisfactorily solved is not actually the
victim's opinion, but his own subconscious not being satisfied. (as in, when
the police have caught a likely suspect, but the victim appears to him again;
he asks why, then discovers he thinks there's more to the story.)
i also think that's more interesting than if they were ghosts -- not that
supernatural dramas can't be good too -- but as someone who's seen more shrinks
than ghosts, maybe i just relate more to this.
[#22919]
Written by: itsobvioustupid [16/03/2007, 20:54]
the dead, they hunger for human brains, the feasting will begin at sundown.
[#22990]
Written by: tanside [17/03/2007, 15:49]
it's not a bad show, and no they are not ghosts, only a projection of his mind.
as raines gets more information about the victim his vision of the victim
changes. its actually a really cool show worth watching.
[#22992]
Written by: DigitalSignalX [17/03/2007, 16:14]
i thought it was an interesting show, goldbloom really doesn't have a broad
dynamic range as an actor, but he fits in really nicely as the eccentric with
the title character. his "ghosts" are purely psychological manifestations, who's
character thus change and conform to the information he learns about them as
their murder investigation unfolds. their only narrative purpose is essentially
as an insight into his own thought processes. the vision of his former partner
though, seems to be an exception to that by providing a non-evolving role as a
insight into rains past, and whatever started him down the psychological path
he's at today.
[#22993]
Written by: Shingetsu [17/03/2007, 16:27]
pretty sure they are not ghosts. he's just got some mental issues. that's why
when he sees them they don't know anymore about there murder then what he
knows. atleast i'm pretty sure thats how it was, i only skipped through the
episode real quick since i watched the pre-air pilot when it came out.
[#22994]
Written by: mastercko [17/03/2007, 16:46]
shingetsu, you're right. i watched the whole ep. they're his hallucinations. so
yeah, they don't know any more about the murder than he does. also, as he finds
out new facts about them, the hallucinations change around, which is somewhat
clever.
anyway, i don't know what to make of the show. it's not horrible, but it didn't
really jump out as exceptional, either. i'll give it some time. i like detective
stuff and my favorites (monk and psych) have already had their season finales,
so maybe this can take the place for now.
[#22995]
Written by: james123 [17/03/2007, 16:57]
so a character sees hallucinations of dead people? i'm sure six feet under did
the exact same thing half-a-decade ago. blegh.
[#22997]
Written by: vvex [17/03/2007, 17:51]
pathetic...seems they ran out of good ideas for detective stories
a detective's imaginary crime victims gets him to recap what info he gathered so
far along the show and helps him draw conclusions,ultimately solving the case.
and jeff's performance makes it even worse.just look back at how he moves at the
victim's boyfriend's house raid...detective roles doesn't fit him at all
imho(maybe a gay detective,but he's far too ugly for that too) :d
[#23054]
Written by: itsobvioustupid [18/03/2007, 01:57]
you mean they're not ghosts? i'm shocked.
[#23099]
Written by: mastercho [18/03/2007, 08:43]
not too bad of a show really. is a bit of the same with a twist.
they are not ghosts. they are figments of his imagination that he can see and
interact with. they only know what he knows.
i would give this a 6/10, if it does fail to complete 1 season, will still grab
em. seems interesting enough. the characters and character interaction is whats
important more so than the actual storyline. tis what grabbed my interest in it.
thanks eztv
[#23141]
Written by: dvd king [18/03/2007, 16:51]
i think this show(raines), is fantastic and with a brilliant and original twist
at the end of the show. only my opinion but hopefully other
people will see it my way and to sort of quote snakepiss what really is a piece
(and that snakepiss is how you spell piece not peice) of shit is all reality
shows and the morons and tools that have no lives that watch this complete and
utter shitty garbage.
[#25779]
Written by: gertiec [31/03/2007, 08:55]
i love the quirkiness of this show. the sarcasm/wit of raines is fantastic.
this program is definitely worth a watch.
the current information about the show on eztv is incorrect, stating that raines
sees ghosts. (march '07)
raines does not see ghosts. this is made quite clear in the pilot and again in
the second episode.
the program has been, i believe, incorrectly and unfairly labelled a 'rip off'
of, or similar to 'medium' and 'ghost whisperer'. in both of these programs,
the main characters see ghosts. in 'medium' the main character primarily sees
ghosts in order to solve a crime. in 'ghost whisperer' the main character sees
ghosts who haven't been able to move on, and assists them in doing so.
in 'raines', the victims are projections of raines' imagination and therefore
only know as much about themselves and their murders as raines knows - or
suspects.
raines' visualisations of the victims adapt to conform to new
information that he finds out during his investigation. only when he's solved
the crime to his own satisfaction and has no remaining doubts do his
visualisations stop.
raines' doesn't see the visualisations as being normal,
but accepts them in a resigned manner and works with them, somewhat unwillingly,
using them as a tool to solve the crime.
