[#64426]
Written by: sCifI3001 [25/10/2007, 16:09]
yep looks like die hard 4
anyone know how k s is gunna film from jail?
[#64444]
Written by: leeeevy [25/10/2007, 18:17]
i just cant wait for the season 7 prequel (a.k.a. episode 7x00 a.k.a. the mazda
commercial masquerading as a 24 short a.k.a. the filler btwn seasons thats been
on the dvds of the previous season for the last couple of seasons)
dunno yet if im going to watch this
[#64446]
Written by: minus0ne [25/10/2007, 18:32]
Quote by toptoffee
of course torture isn't "ok"... but if you don't think it's
necessary from time to time, then you're massively
naive.
you just proved him right. incredible how massively brainwashed you are. if you
think information gathered through torture is reliable then you're the massively
naive one. oh well, you're probably also under the illusion that you're living
in a mythical place some retards wrongly call the 'land of the free', and that
in order to protect that 'freedom' from terrorists you have to pre-emptively
kill it yourself.
and here i was thinking '24' was just an entertaining piece of tv, or that the
american viewer would be, on average, smart enough to look past the propaganda.
heh, stupid me.
[#64451]
Written by: SkS [25/10/2007, 19:08]
its a free world, we are all intitled to our own opinion.
hmm
actually, lets torture him till we agree.
[#64455]
Written by: milo- [25/10/2007, 19:18]
finally 24 looks like it might be getting back on track, they should have left
ctu and la after season 4! the revamp and clear out of some characters should
freshen this amazing show up! i do agree looks alot like die hard 4.0 but this
should be better than that film, although i can't wait to see how they explain
tonys resurection!!
[#64464]
Written by: crazyivan [25/10/2007, 20:08]
first of all, it's clear that not only is torture ok, but it's
widely enjoyed, as proven each week when flash comes on.
it'd be nice to see jack snort a massive rail or maybe do half
the season on 50 mics of liquid. that would boost ratings in
bolivia where, face it, the number of completes is pretty low.
edit: hey i watched this short. i liked everything
about it, even fat tony, well except for that stupid
tick tock noise at the end. really getting tired of that.
[#64468]
Written by: kgb714 [25/10/2007, 20:41]
finding out that tony almeida was coming back is enough for me. no way am
watching this to completely spoil the excitement.
[#64582]
Written by: Petris [26/10/2007, 04:12]
looks like the official trailer released on 24trailer.com is censored : the part
where kiefer says "i'm gonna enjoy this" is missing.
[#64597]
Written by: kukudrulu [26/10/2007, 05:58]
hey you guys who are pro/con to torture, lemme add fuel to the fire and ask you:
isn't dexter a show glorifying a serial killer!? what can you say about that? i
like the goddamn show but i keep asking myself the same f.....g question
[-perplexed!]
[#64652]
Written by: aroyals [26/10/2007, 11:39]
Quote by kukudrulu
hey you guys who are pro/con to torture, lemme add fuel to the
fire and ask you:
isn't dexter a show glorifying a serial killer!? what can you say about that? i
like the goddamn show but i keep asking myself the same f.....g question
[-perplexed!]
i think his gf's mother said it pretty well in the last episode.
he only kills bad people that have found a loophole or just got away with their
own killing/s.
take that car salesman a few weeks ago for example. should dexter have just left
him alone so he could have killed that chick and god only knows how many more?
[#64654]
Written by: aroyals [26/10/2007, 12:06]
Quote by minus0ne
you just proved him right. incredible how massively brainwashed you are. if you
think information gathered through torture is reliable then you're the massively
naive one.
i can see your point(although you are being a bit of a sanctimonious dick about
it) in that ppl will lie just to have the torture stopped but there are cases
that this would be useless (i.e: no time-limit involved).
for example: a criminal/terrorist group hides a weapon/drugs cache but one of
them is captured and tortured. ok so he lies about it's location then they check
it out and come back torturing him/her even worse.
if you were in charge you would not touch the criminal to protect his rights
then weapons/drugs are released potentially hurting/killing innocent. at some
point doesn't the end justify the means?
as for the old "it's just a t.v show" argument: a good book/movie/t.v show
should be thought provoking and get you to ask "what if ... actually happened?"
sure it's fiction (or embellished non-fiction in some cases) but life is get up
go to work eat sleep repeat and have 1 or 2 days a week for hobbies so it's nice
to have a few hours of fantasy thrown in each week.
[#64752]
Written by: dankoni [26/10/2007, 22:58]
Quote by crazyivan
it'd be nice to see jack snort a massive rail or maybe do half
the season on 50 mics of liquid.
you seem to think you are some kind of drug expert... using such cool lingo and
all, but 50 micrograms of lsd is barely even an active dose. did you mean 500?
or, do you just have no clue what you are talking about?
[#64771]
Written by: dankoni [26/10/2007, 23:52]
the torture argument is an interesting one, although this is definitely not the
place for intelligent discussion. there are so many sides you can take... and
all have some validity.
point 1:
it is just a tv show. if you think it is propaganda which shouldn't be allowed
to air, then you are in favor of censorship. most people against torture are not
typically in favor of censorship, so where is your argument going?
point 2:
torture is wrong and the information gathered is not always going to be
reliable. the cia has been trying to figure out how to conduct effective mind
control and truth gathering techniques for over 50 years. their conclusion:
nothing works 100%. so, you could say it is pointless.
point 3:
if your family was locked in a room with a bomb and one man, who you had in
custody, was the only person with the knowledge to save the lives of your family
members... what would you do? if anyone thinks the u.s. could make a public
statement tomorrow that it was going to give up all violence/torture/war and
survive in this world, you definitely are incredibly naive. it would be nice if
we lived in a world where everyone did the right thing just because it was the
right thing to do, but we don't. the threat of violence is still very much
necessary.
in another life, i was a smalltime drug dealer. granted, i was pretty big for my
sheltered little philadelphia suburb, but still quite smalltime in the grand
scheme. maybe a few people failed to pay me back on fronts. maybe i was nice and
let it go rather than resorting to violence. do you think people appreciated
this? do you think people thought, "hey, he's a pretty nice guy. i should pay
him back because he's not some violent asshole." no. people saw that they didn't
need to be afraid of me. people lost their fear of me, and subsequently, lost
their respect. once the word got out that i could be stiffed, i was finished in
that game. looking back, it was one of the best things that ever happened to me,
but i learned a good lesson from the whole affair. now, do you think the
majority of adults in this world are any different from the teenagers in my
sheltered philadelphia suburb? do you really think the u.s. could let the word
out that it will not stoop to violent behavior and retain any level of respect?
if you think torture is never necessary, or at least a believable threat of
torture, then you know very little about human beings. it would be nice if the
u.s. could just "drop out of the game" like i did and move on. sadly, that is
not possible. my game was drug dealing, while their game is life on earth. if
you people against violence have another planet the u.s. can settle, i'll be the
first one in line... but that is a fantasy, and so are your beliefs.
point 4:
who cares about violence and torture anyway? it's just pain and sometimes death.
are death and pain really that bad? why are you people so damn afraid of death?
personally, i would much rather be tortured and/or killed than locked in
solitary confinement for 60 years... that is the true torture. this is why i am
against the death penalty. not because it is wrong or inhumane, but because it
is not even a punishment.
i could go on and on, but i'd rather watch the latest "curb your enthusiasm"
with my baby. who am i kidding? do i really think this rant is going to change
anyone's views? i doubt any of you even took the time to bask in my brilliance.
[#64808]
Written by: PuffY [27/10/2007, 04:17]
i can't download this! its saying the server is offline.
[#64842]
Written by: kukudrulu [27/10/2007, 08:34]
dankoni: nice dissertation. i wish i could engage you in a discussion on some
points you raised, but you're right, this is not the venue for that. however,
allow me to make some comments to one point you raised and an anecdote you gave:
point 1: "it's just a tv show". this is my palliative argument when watching
violent shows. i enjoy watching thrillers (not necessarily horrors) with
violence as ingredient. that's why i love 24.
"in another life........i was finished in that game": i'm not sure what you
meant by "in another life" . most likely you meant earlier in your life, but i
am not dismissing the possibility of your referring literally another life in
another body (ergo, another incarnation), in which case you must be an advanced
soul to be able to recall it voluntarily. in either case, allow me to put
forward a theory in occult philosophy whereby life evolves under the influence
of two forces generally termed as positive and negative. one cannot exists
without the other. they are also known as the dualities of life or in layman's
term, good and evil. the middle path, the elusive right path, is an harmonic
balance (not equilibrium) of these two forces. this becomes very difficult to
attain and maintain when the laws of cause and effect (karma) must also be
obeyed. perhaps, if you knew the right combination in that life, you would not
have been finished in that game, but would have dire consequences if the drugs
you dealt with was meant for addiction to others.
