[#63391]
Written by: franglais [21/10/2007, 13:48]
Quote by bugbug
and no, the brits aren't as hung up on those things as the us,
then again, neither is the
rest of europe, australia, or really anywhere else at all.
ha ha! yeeaahh.... we're such puritans! that's why we have legal medical
marijuana in several states, same sex marriage in a few states, same sex
adoption in many states....and despite bush's best attempts, we still have true
freedom of speech.
jon stewart and colbert are good examples of that.
oh, and "flash gordan"? please! i don't know if that show shows t&a, but lets
talk sexsessful shows that lived long and fruitful lives: sex and the city,
sopranos, queer as folk...
no can claim that sex/city and sopranos were flops. and what made them great?
guns, pussy, and dope!
but where did this "carte blanche" come from that lets everybody think they can
say bs about americans? i'm not shitting on your front yard in jolly old
england, am i?! is anyone here saying you "deserved" the london tube/bus bombings?!
[#63394]
Written by: joeymac [21/10/2007, 14:00]
Quote by franglais
ha ha! yeeaahh.... we're such puritans! that's why we have legal medical
marijuana in several states, same sex marriage in a few states, same sex
adoption in many states....and despite bush's best attempts, we still have true
freedom of speech.
jon stewart and colbert are good examples of that.
oh, and "flash gordan"? please! i don't know if that show shows t&a, but lets
talk sexsessful shows that lived long and fruitful lives: sex and the city,
sopranos, queer as folk...
no can claim that sex/city and sopranos were flops. and what made them great?
guns, pussy, and dope!
this is not about how successful us shows are. just where they are. sex and the
city and the sopranos are on public free tv in the uk without being bleeped or
cut. would that be allowed in us?
[#63397]
Written by: Gow [21/10/2007, 14:14]
from us versus british to censorship versus uncensored...really funny stuff.
some of you are so full of it that i am surprised you can see over the brown
stuff in front of your face.
attacking nations based on what television has told you or what a few people act
like. like an entire nation can be determined from just a couple of people,
the news and television shows. quite frankly, you just need to grow up and quit
acting like two-year olds having a pissing contest.
the u.s. does some shows well and some not so well, it is the same with the uk,
japan, korea, china, et cetera. not every show produced in country x will be
pure gold. i think the us show makers remake a lot of uk shows because the uk
shows contain cultural references that don't exist in the us so that the humor
is lost on the us audience who have a different source of cultural references to
draw upon.
remember not all us humor is crude and not all uk humor is rude. look at the
varying stand up comics on comedy central for example. different comedic forms
exist outside of these supposed assigned stereotypes that people seem to keep
wanting to apply.
for an example look at jeff dunham's routine (check out youtube). how is achmed
the dead terrorist related to redneck jokes? he's not, he is a parody of the
terrorist persona. stewart and colbert use satire.
there are many other forms of comedy but not all comedy can cross the cultural
divide as all comedy is born from that country's cultural background.
it is just the uk and the us can share some jokes across this divide because we
share the same ancestry for the most part. though not all jokes can cross over
especially ones that rely on slang.
so, can't we all act like adults and drop the childishness? if you can't resist
acting like a child stick to just commenting on the show and nothing else.
- g
[#63400]
Written by: crazyivan [21/10/2007, 14:28]
"and what made them great? guns, pussy, and dope!"
well, it's pretty hard to follow that, but somebody has to try.
"english shows have a way lower average quality than american ones."
are you having a laugh?
"and then you wonder why everybody else in the world hates you and wants to
drive planes into your skyscrapers." -petrat
we don't. they don't, nor do hyperbole and punditry make it so.
please seek professional help, ok thanks.
[#63421]
Written by: KoningKaas [21/10/2007, 17:43]
Quote by franglais
Quote by bugbug
and no, the brits aren't as hung up on those
things as the us,
then again, neither is the
rest of europe, australia, or really anywhere else at all.
ha ha! yeeaahh.... we're such puritans! that's why we have legal medical
marijuana in several states, same sex marriage in a few states, same sex
adoption in many states....and despite bush's best attempts, we still have true
freedom of speech.
jon stewart and colbert are good examples of that.
oh, and "flash gordan"? please! i don't know if that show shows t&a, but lets
talk sexsessful shows that lived long and fruitful lives: sex and the city,
sopranos, queer as folk...
no can claim that sex/city and sopranos were flops. and what made them great?
guns, pussy, and dope!
but where did this "carte blanche" come from that lets everybody think they can
say bs about americans? i'm not shitting on your front yard in jolly old
england, am i?! is anyone here saying you "deserved" the london tube/bus bombings?!
lol free speech
u wish
hell me watching daily show + colbert report only shows me that the government
of america is controlling like a mofo and dousnt give a crap about the american
people, they do what they think is best, it dousnt matter if the people are with
it or not...
also in general, american tv sucks, its what about 90 procent of europe thinks
loooooooll.
[#63426]
Written by: Gow [21/10/2007, 19:01]
Quote by koningkaas
lol free speech
u wish
hell me watching daily show + colbert report only shows me that the government
of america is controlling like a mofo and dousnt give a crap about the american
people, they do what they think is best, it dousnt matter if the people are with
it or not...
also in general, american tv sucks, its what about 90 procent of europe thinks
loooooooll.
i think this is an example of my point being made clear. basing views of any
country off of television broadcasts is a sad state of human affairs for the
individual because television is done for entertainment and doesn't show the
whole picture as that would not be entertaining to the general audience.
especially if a person is basing their opinion on two shows that satirize
american media channels.
shall we attempt to grow up now and carry on a civil discussion or shall we
remain in our childish immature ways?
[#63427]
Written by: chaosmountain [21/10/2007, 19:04]
Quote by petrat
... and then you wonder why everybody else in the world hates you
and wants to
drive planes into your skyscrapers.
i'm with top gear on this one; america - nice enough country as it goes but it
needs an effing population transplant.
isn't your dominating boyfriend looking for you to bend you over ?
[#63435]
Written by: taipan [21/10/2007, 20:25]
Quote by mikel
thanks for the input guys.
it's funny, the biggest change we've seen on basic cable is the ability to say
"shit," and "goddamnit," (thanks to comedy central) and maybe allowing more
grinding between couples and all this only seems permissible after certain hours
when the kids are supposed to be asleep. so is this the case with british shows?
i do seem to recall some breastesses shown, and the word "shit" used on bbc
america years and years ago. at the same time i seem to recall certain instances
of "bullocks" being censored.
our free-to-air channels in the uk do have a '9 o'clock watershed', meaning that
after 9pm pretty much anything goes. no hardcore sex or erect penises (at least
not in fictional works), but as much nudity, violence & swearing as the
producers think they'll get away with in order to gain more viewers.
unfortunately, this more liberal attitude has only really developed over the
last 10-15 years or so, & as a consequence there's still this marketability to
the formerly risque that no longer seems to exist in the even less repressed
western european countries like france, germany, the netherlands etc.
an earlier post mentioned american celebrities on uk chat-shows revelling in the
freedom to be profane - i remember seeing halle berry on 'friday night with
jonathan ross' gleefully shouting "cunt! cunt! cunt! cunt! cunt!" & it being
bleeped out on the air, so maybe it's only okay in context..?
regardless of any strict rules, i for one greatly appreciate being allowed to
decide for myself what i'm emotionally capable of watching.
[#63438]
Written by: Jodeboire [21/10/2007, 20:42]
i'm british, and i have been embarrassed by the quality of british drama of
late.
the last great show was rome, which i think was made by bbc/hbo and an italian
production company, anyway.
the last fully british show was shameless - brilliant and hilarious.
the tudors is a poor imitation of the style pioneered by rome, and it's co-
produced by showtime, too.
dr. who, jekyll, prime suspect, torchwood, anything produced by itv, spooks,
etc. are all patent rubbish.
the best of american tv shows knock british tv into a cocked hat at the moment,
and are making hollywood look redundant.
nothing, but nothing i have ever seen, comes even close to mad men - sheer
fucking class.
heroes, lost, the sopranos, deadwood, battlestar galactica - come on, where is
there any british show that comes even close to any of these.
[#63499]
Written by: TheLobster [22/10/2007, 03:23]
Quote by weaselbuddha
british tv is much or edgy take a look at sinchroncity or skins. also some of
the all time greats prisoner, cracker, prime suspect, singing detective are all
brit productions.
prisoner was actually australian.
[#63544]
Written by: sonichammer [22/10/2007, 07:53]
as kevin smith said "the british invented acting"
and as the british say .. "the septics shit on acting"
[#63596]
Written by: flubber [22/10/2007, 13:46]
Quote by thelobster
Quote by weaselbuddha
british tv is much or edgy take a look at sinchroncity or skins. also some of
the all time greats prisoner, cracker, prime suspect, singing detective are all
brit productions.
prisoner was actually australian.
do you honestly the original poster means prisoner cell block h? look at the other shows he has
grouped it with? he means the prisoner with patrick mcgoohan.
[#63616]
Written by: Poffel [22/10/2007, 16:03]
Quote by weaselbuddha
don't you guys read the tv news here? on like the 8th i put
up a story entitled
"dr who's rose sells herself for big numbers"
forum subject ha been running since the ninth.
british tv is much or edgy take a look at sinchroncity or skins. also some of
the all time greats prisoner, cracker, prime suspect, singing detective are all
brit productions.
imho their tv is their best export - germans do better sex in tv ( liebe sunde ),
and the italians have better looking women, but for drama and crime you can't
beat the brits. life on mars and viva blackpool are both being remade, but like
the stateside version of cracker they are, and probably will be crap.
so it goes....
big lol? liebe s
[#63840]
Written by: csander [23/10/2007, 02:53]
i think it's worth pointing out to the uninitiated that secret diary of a call
girl is based on a blog called belle de jour (which then became two books),
hence the decision to have billie piper talking directly to the camera about the
ins and outs of her job.
i happen to think itv have done a pretty good job.
[#64241]
Written by: flubber [24/10/2007, 09:12]
this show stinks, billie piper ain't got the range, sorry
